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Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 05 May 2016, 15:41
by giftfish
Things are almost fully updated for the new 2.0 stable; only ModMaker and TPF Tools articles remain for Users. Dev stuff/Tutorials haven't been touched and won't be for a little while yet.

Besides an overhaul of the information for certain articles, I've also inserted a couple of new pieces of information for each article:

1. Icon. -- The toolset icon is now depicted for each tool, so folks get used to seeing it and develop the association in their minds. Removed tools will not have icons.

2. "Updated" infobox. -- When this is present, it means the article has been updated for v2.0. If it's not present, it hasn't been updated (and it certain cases doesn't need to be, e.g. Mod Spotlights).

3. Tool Authorship & Lead Developer -- This has been in place for a while now, but is getting more updated. SirCxyrtyx is now lead developer for AutoTOC, Plot Database, and a variety of Developer Tools.

4. Web Portal -- Link has been added to the home page.

FYI, a significant amount of information formerly in the Texplorer article has been moved to Textures in Mass Effect; the latter was created subsequent to the former. The former now focuses almost exclusively on Texplorer's use and a few details about treebuilding.

Once the ModMaker and TPF Tools have been updated (over the next 1-2 weeks), I'll likely hold off on any new content or edits to existing content, as a lot of things will be changing with the upcoming GUI and tool overhaul :)

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 14 May 2016, 18:26
by giftfish
ModMaker article is updated for the stable. Should get to TPF Tools early next week.

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 04:46
by FemShep
One thing for the wiki that REALLLYYYY needs fixed is those tables. I know you have a lot of content to display but the table width is not the same width as the main content column. As such, while you can scroll left and right in the table, the right hand side is cut off. On tables that are pre-collapsed, this means there is no way to open them without literally changing the page's css.

http://me3explorer.wikia.com/wiki/DLC_Content for example, there is no way to open the list of files at the bottom. I had to manually change some page css to be able to see the expand button to click on it since it was overlaid with teh column background.

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 14:10
by giftfish
FemShep wrote:One thing for the wiki that REALLLYYYY needs fixed is those tables. I know you have a lot of content to display but the table width is not the same width as the main content column. As such, while you can scroll left and right in the table, the right hand side is cut off. On tables that are pre-collapsed, this means there is no way to open them without literally changing the page's css.

Nope, it's not. That's why the scroll bar is there -- even in collapsed tables. That's wikia's rule on how to display "extra" table content, not mine. The width of the center column can't be dickered with as far as I know.

There is no way to solve the problem of tables that require a greater width than the central column, short of using scrolling. I've never had a problem with it -- short of the horizontal scrollbar occasionally jumping up the page on me. Scrolling isn't particularly intuitive at first, but it works fine. Since some information is best presented in tables, and wikia requires such a specific page layout, there's not much of a choice. Column width is dictated by it's contents. The particular table you mention below could probably be tweaked a bit since it's only displaying a single character in each column -- it's the headers dictating width -- but this isn't the case with most columns.

FemShep wrote:http://me3explorer.wikia.com/wiki/DLC_Content for example, there is no way to open the list of files at the bottom. I had to manually change some page css to be able to see the expand button to click on it since it was overlaid with the column background.

I've never had a problem expanding that table in the past, and I've edited it several times. You just use the scroll bar to scroll over to the right so you can see the expand/collapse option.

I'm surprised you were able to alter the CSS, actually -- I thought that was restricted to admins. Or do you mean you added custom CSS on your end, only?

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 16:23
by FemShep
Welcome to web dev giftfish ;) Where every browser has its own implementation of standards and you have to code around a minefield of them. I suspect you're a firefox user, cause the scrollbar appears properly in that browser:
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However, on chrome, it does not:
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On the other big tables, normally I could scroll with the middle click and pan around, but it isn't really reliable for some reason.

It likely has to due with chrome calculating the width of the viewport for the table by looking at the table width (which expands beyond what you can see), vs firefox calculating it in the actual viewable space. Unfortunately I don't have any way to help you fix this. This likely though has to do with overflowx and overflowy values.

Since chrome is about >30% of traffic (and as tech savvy users, you'll likely have >50%) worldwide, you'll probably need to tinker with it until it works.

This is why everyone HATTEEEDD IE6, because they followed no standards and coding to work with IE6 was very different than other browsers so it just doubled your work for a browser that would just crash all the time.

Edit: You're able to change CSS locally in your browser's inspector. Press F12 to open it up. You can add properties in the css panel and view the changes live, really good for getting around internet "gates" where you must like on FB to view content or stupid stuff like that.

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 17:29
by SirCxyrtyx
I'm using Chrome, and the scrollbar shows up properly for me.

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 17:56
by giftfish
@FS -- Yep, I'm on FF. Thanks for clarifying the CSS thing -- I was aware about the ability of users to customize on their end, hence my confusion.

Regardless, though, this is not our problem. If there are browser issues, that's Wikia's department. The table format Fog and I implemented on the wiki is "standard". The only thing that's been customized in the CSS is implementation of alternating row colors. Other than that, it's all Wikia. The *entire reason* to use a free platform like Wikia rather than generating a wiki from scratch is precisely so we don't have to worry about browser standards, etc. All we need to do is generate content. Wikia does the heavy lifting.

Therefore, if scroll bars are not appearing in certain browsers, that's something for Wikia to fix, not us. And, from Sir's response, apparently the problem isn't consistent, which might explain why they don't know yet. Best thing for you to do would be to report it on their forums; they're quite responsive.

Re: Info | General Wiki Comms

PostPosted: 19 May 2016, 22:51
by giftfish
All articles that needed to be updated for the new stable are now finished. Yaaaaaay.

For clarity, this only includes General Info articles, and User Tools/Resources. Developer articles will be addressed as part of the forthcoming GUI and tool overhaul. There are several tutorials that also still need to be proofed, which will also be done as a part of this overhaul.

We're still horribly deficient on Developer Resources, which is information taken from the Technical and Modders Research areas, so folks are free to keep building in that area. I'll proof new additions as my time allows.